Monday, February 15, 2010

Some Thoughts from Bill Jessop








In the 12/13/09 post titled: On The Trail of the Whale & Lighthouse Floats, a collector and float researcher-Bill Jessop, was introduced. The promise to share some of Bill's emails was written, and I would like to keep that promise by posting Bill's second email to you. This email is a visit back to the discussion of the SN floats written January 5th., and 16th., 'o9. The SN floats have been offered a few times on Nova Scotian, and Eastern Canadian Ebay sellers' auctions. Bill's email also gives us some excellent historical insight into the Canadian glass industry that operated during the float use years.

Written on one of the glass bottle information websites, there is information concerning a 1926 catalogue from the Dominion Glass Company. According to the writer, the catalogue lists glass fishing floats as a product. An exchange of emails between myself and the writer, produced no difinitve proof, as well as emails sent to Dominion Glass, libraries, and a lot of further research trying to find a copy of the catalogue, and proof of Dominion glassfloat production. It was of great interest that I read and absorbed Bill's email concerning his thoughts on the SN floats, and the Canadian glass industry.


Hi, Tom.
I now have had an opportunity to properly read through the treasure trove of material that you have gathered and analyzed for your Seahermit blog. It helped me put together some of the following thoughts & perspectives on the “NS” glass float aspect which I hope that you might find interesting.


ATLANTIC GLASS FLOAT “FLOW”:

There is both solid and anecdotal evidence that at least some of the old unmarked blown-in- mould dark green glass floats (typically 5” in diameter) found on the East coast of Canada and the U.S. could be ones manufactured in Canada prior to 1914. Perhaps this may also shed light on the “NS” float mystery discussed in your January 2009 blog? That blog contained thoughtful comments and interesting observations by yourself, Bob Buffington, Stu Farnsworth and museum curators from the Lunenburg and Halifax museums. I think the first issue to consider is how the “NS” and other old glass floats would have been introduced into the fishery and where they were likely to migrate to afterwards.

As noted, some percentage of the old glass fishing floats originated from fisherman gear piles and EBay vendors in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland are undoubtedly from loss of gear by the European fishing fleets (and recovered for re-use by local fishermen) plus direct purchases from European manufacturers of glass floats by these inshore fisherman for use on their nets and on their trawl lines. Since the British, Portuguese and Spanish fleets were the main fishers on the Grand Banks in the historic heyday of glass float usage, one would expect to encounter (in Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island & Newfoundland) proportionately more blown-in-mould glass floats bearing logos from these nations. Furthermore the close commercial/personal connections between Britain and Newfoundland (a British colony until 1949) and with the residents of Nova Scotia should have fostered an increased proportion of purchases from British sources for use in the inshore fishery.

This seems to be the case except perhaps for the apparent disproportionate presence of old Norwegian and German floats originating from East coast sources. I am not aware that Scandinavian country fleets were ever significantly engaged in the Grand Bank cod fishery. Although Norwegian sealing fleets operated extensively off Newfoundland and Labrador, they obviously had no use for glass floats. However, I think that your January 2009 blog may very well explain this anomaly. It is apparent from your extensive documentation that Norwegian fishing methods employing the use of glass floats had a very significant impact on East coast U.S. fishing methods.

This influence could have induced significant purchases by New England fishermen of glass floats from Norwegian manufacturers. Per’s illustration of the significant glass float production from just one Norwegian manufacturer may provide additional (circumstantial) evidence of the general availability of floats from Norway at this time and subsequently. There is no apparent explanation for the disproportionate presence of German (e.g. “PCF” and Heye “Clover”) floats in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland except that German glass float manufacturers (e.g. your Heye blog) seem to have been major glass float exporters and perhaps the heavy German population operating significant Grand Bank cod fleets out of Lunenburg N.S. would have favoured German floats due to historic and commercial relationships.

In any case, glass floats (of whatever origin) that came loose from U.S. East coast gear could have drifted northward on the Gulf Stream to be beached and recovered in the Canadian Maritime provinces. Others, joined by losses from the Canadian and European fleets on the Grand banks, would ride the Gulf Stream to the Shetlands and Orkneys and even enter the North Sea through the North of Scotland, to be further joined by losses from fisherman there. (Please see my earlier October 10 note quoting the specific experience of an Orkney resident with the Gulf Stream and his recollections of the “wheelbarrow loads” of glass floats).

From the above perspective only, “NS” floats could have originated anywhere because they have been found here and in Europe.

GLASS FLOAT COLLECTING EXPERIENCE

Stu refers in his note to his collecting experience with “Made In England” and (Norwegian) “F1’s” and “F2’s” in Nova Scotia. I have been fortunate to directly find an “LT”, an “LB” in triangle, an “Extra RG Portugual” and a “FALES” in baskets of NorthWestern, DuraGlas and unmarked glass floats during past trips to the Canadian Maritimes. I have also bought British “FGC”, “PCF, & Heyes “Clover” floats from N.S. and Newfoundland dealers on EBay. I’m sure that your readers can add extensively to the trademark’s sourced from there and hopefully this should correlate with the “proportional” expectations outlined above.

My (tarred) “NS” float came via EBay, apparently from a fishing shanty on the bay of the York River in Maine which is reasonably close to Nova Scotia. I was most intrigued by your observation that most “NS” floats had been found in the U.S. Northeast and in the Canadian Maritimes. You can thus add my float to that statistic. (P.S. it was apparently found with a tarred “Made in Czechoslovakia” float which should, from your blog, make you very happy concerning their applied use.)

CANADIAN GLASS FLOAT MANUFACTURERS

I found it particularly insightful to put together the information in your Jan & Feb 2009 blogs with some limited research that I had done previously. There were Canadian glass float manufacturers who supplied Canadian fisherman with glass floats prior to 1914 and, given the close commercial ties between the New England states and Nova Scotia, perhaps even U.S. East coast fishermen purchased them prior to 1914.

Specifically, Gerald Stevens on page 53 of his book “Canadian Glass 1825 -1925” states the following regarding the Dominion Glass Company:

“During this period (World War I) the Point St. Charles factory (Canada Glass Manufacturing) manufactured large quantities of glass balls for use as floats for fishermen’s nets. These glass balls were approximately five inches in diameter and were mould-blown from glass coloured a dark green.”


Also, a couple of EBay Maritime vendors that I have dealt with have heard of glass float manufacturers actually located in Nova Scotia. I bought a green unmarked float purportedly of Nova Scotia manufacture from one of these vendors and she provided the following background:

“There were three or four glass plants in that general area (the New Glasgow, Trenton areas of Nova Scotia) and they are all long gone. There was Trenton Glass Works, Canada Glass, a French glass company and one in Truro called Bigelos (excuse the spelling). They primarily made bottles, but made other items also. They were around until the 1920/1930’s making bottles mostly”.

In my last note, I described a conversation that I had a few years ago with a couple of local gentlemen in a Nova Scotian antique store who recalled the dumping, many years prior, of truckloads of glass floats (primarily green by their recollection) in their local dumpsite. I am now thinking that these may possibly come from a manufacturer dumping obsolete inventory rather than a fishing company switching over to plastic.

“NS” and UNMARKED DARK GREEN GLASS FLOATS

Pulling all this together, perhaps many of the unmarked blown-in-mould dark green glass floats fairly common amongst the much later machine-produced Duraglas and NorthWestern floats (when you can find any pile of these floats at all any more) are Canadian or Nova Scotia manufactured and not “Euros”. By extension (but with no direct evidence ) maybe some of the unmarked clear blown-in-mould glass floats have similar parentage?

An aside: During the first few years of following Ebay auctions, there were three or four auctions originating in Canada. The auction photos showed colorless glass floats, larger than the normal 5-inchers, which had a different type of seal button-small and slightly raised-unlike the normal round and flattened seal. At the time I thought they might be Canadian made. I still have a feeling that those were made in Canada. Two of them arrived today from a seller in Maryland. They are 6.5" diameter, and unmarked. These were the first that I have seen in the last 7 or 8 years of watching the auctions.

Perhaps, then the “NS” on the dark green “NS” float really does stand for Nova Scotia after all, perhaps as an brand identifier for one of these companies or a local customer. Food for thought (and comment) rather than any real conclusion.

Regards, Bill Jessop
(Waterloo, Ontario)


I have truly enjoyed reading Bill's thoughts and findings again, and hope that you have too.

The post photos below the pair of colorless floats, show floats that were found in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland. Interestingly, the "Souvenir float" is embossed LV.

Also, if you watch the auctions from Australia, often a curious unmarked colorless float will appear which originates from an Australian seller. I have been told by a few sellers there, that those floats were used to mark Crayfish (Spiny Lobster)traps. Like the colorless examples thought to be from Canada, could it be that the Australian colorless are a true Australian float?

The Portugese fished those Australian waters, and often, "RG Made In Portugal" floats appear on the auctions. Maybe the Portugese made those clear floats, but they are unlike any Portugese or Spanish floats that I know of. The seal buttons on these Australian auction colorless are the normal flattened gather of glass, have no embossings and they are always larger than the normal 5" Euro. Most are 7-8" diameter floats.

29 comments:

  1. Thank you Tom and Bill! Very informative post. I loved it. Thanks for your posting.
    Ps. Norwegian fishing fleets were often fishing outside Greenland and Iceland.
    Best regards, Roger

    ReplyDelete
  2. Interesting story and information.

    I found some interesting information from reading a students work from old fishery history here in Norway telling about a book written by a Norwegian guy named Joakim Anderssen from Ålesund, that book has to be a must for anyone who might be interested in fishery history from the fishery dep. world exhibition in Philadelphia 1876.
    The writer tells something about the fishery in
    North America, New Foundland and Nova Scotia


    Look for this book:
    Beretning om Fiskeriafdelingen ved Verdensudstillingen i Philadelphia i 1876 tilligemed en kort, sammenlignende Fremstilling af Fiskerierne og Fiskeriforholdene i Nordamerika, Nova Scotia og New Foundland, Ålesund 1877

    I will send some info about the writer mr. Joakim Anderssen on your email Tom.

    Best Regards, Per

    ReplyDelete
  3. 任何事都是由一個決心,一顆種子開始。........................................

    ReplyDelete
  4. Anonymous9:05 AM

    The fishfinder approximates where the fish are by measuring the amount of
    time between when the beam was sent out and when it registered the hit.

    Pay close attention to the mayflies, midges, and stoneflies in the area and try to match your flies to the size and
    type fish are biting on. But here's my top 5 to consider with choices for both types of water included:.

    Also visit my website; kompamagazine.com

    ReplyDelete
  5. Anonymous3:08 AM

    Better you connect another mouse with your computer. One of the first recommendations to be
    made about powered laptop coolers is to, in general, stay away from folding coolers unless space and
    convenience are of premium concern. Another great aspect
    of this remote is that it comes with a recharging dock.

    my website - http://www.logitech-tastaturen.de/tag/stereo/

    ReplyDelete
  6. Anonymous3:25 AM

    Scroll down to the music section and click on the edit link.
    The table top radio connects to the internet using Wi-Fi or Ethernet cable, and searches for stations by country,
    genre or call letters. Turn on iheartradio and then look at a different app, your station will keep playing and you can control everything from
    the "running apps" menu (double-click the home button).


    Here is my site visit the following website

    ReplyDelete
  7. Anonymous9:22 AM

    Similar to the cue ball that is shot in pools; this game involves coins
    and strikers that are essential to play carrom game.
    Imagine never having to worry about what to wear to work, and even the infuriating traffic jams that never seem to end.
    For the purposes of this game, a "set" is
    at least three cards of equal value such as three Jacks or three fours and a "sequence" is
    made up of at least four cards that are of the same
    suit and run sequentially such as three, four, five, and
    six of spades.

    Take a look at my site small Business server

    ReplyDelete
  8. Anonymous2:01 AM

    But, internet radio offers a whole lot more than just your favorite music online.
    "Mike" is Mike Dean, according to the scanty information available, and beyond that there's not much about him. Such was the beginning of a journey that would propel Ms.

    Feel free to visit my weblog ... online Radio

    ReplyDelete
  9. Anonymous3:20 PM

    And Ouya, which is about the size of a Rubik's cube. Then came the ultra-popular Arkham games, that place you, like never before, into Batman's
    shoes as he skulks around and knocks hoodlums heads together (literaly).
    It is recommended that the golfers select those putters
    with which the golfers feel good and works well with their gaming pattern.


    Also visit my web site: http://www.spielespielen24.de

    ReplyDelete
  10. Anonymous1:53 AM

    I understand that those are the products designed by manufacturers to make them money
    and if they are endorsed by winning popular professionals, sales will be
    high. Age Level - A good factor to write about is
    the appropriate age level for the video game that you are
    reviewing. For the purposes of this game, a "set" is at
    least three cards of equal value such as three Jacks or
    three fours and a "sequence" is made up of at least four cards that are of the same
    suit and run sequentially such as three, four, five, and
    six of spades.

    my web site - best loans

    ReplyDelete
  11. Anonymous8:49 PM

    I understand that those are the products designed by
    manufacturers to make them money and if they are endorsed by winning popular professionals, sales will be high.
    The only downside of it in a lot of people's eyes is the fact that there is no multiplayer content. t love the unself-conscious little boy or girl, the undaunted miniature explorer who moves with unbridled enthusiasm to experience life.

    Check out my site metal building

    ReplyDelete
  12. Anonymous10:51 PM

    It really is developed in this type of way that it makes the driver comfortable and in charge as if they are
    driving an actual car. Which means that you will only end up spending $47 on this unit.
    t recognize then check the USB port by connecting another device.



    Also visit my blog post - click the up coming web page

    ReplyDelete
  13. Anonymous5:26 PM

    Snoring is more probably to develop when sleeping on your own back.
    I'd have to understand plot however it I'm definitely not absolutely this can be significant.
    Episode 140 (The One with Joey's Fridge) Air Date: 03-23-2000.

    Review my blog :: Schwimmerschalter kaufen

    ReplyDelete
  14. Anonymous5:22 AM

    Click on Privacy Settings and you will be directed to a page and you will have to scroll down
    to Apps and Websites right at the end of the page.
    This will serve as the storage for the personal Facebook layouts that you have
    created for public viewing and use as well through a public gallery.
    Only two years earlier, CNN reported that Yahoo had offered $1 billion for Facebook.


    Visit my site :: visit this backlink

    ReplyDelete
  15. Anonymous1:29 AM

    The re charging can be done via the yard-long USB cable that you can plug to the
    computer, or faster asking for, I put it in the USB power adapter from of
    my own devices (Android smartphone, Amazon kindle, etc) along with continue deploying it
    wirelessly. One of the first recommendations to be made about powered laptop coolers is to,
    in general, stay away from folding coolers unless space and
    convenience are of premium concern. Remember, no
    matter what things you do, make your audiences concentrate on the most important part of your
    tutorial video, if only for a minute.

    My web blog ... please click the following internet site

    ReplyDelete
  16. Anonymous8:58 AM

    Much like Safari, the Camera app, the App Store and i - Pod, Game Center has no option to be deleted when editing your apps.
    Age Level - A good factor to write about is the appropriate age level for the video game that you are reviewing.

    Harry Potter Hogwarts is one more entry into this new series of LEGO board
    games.

    Here is my blog post [主页]

    ReplyDelete
  17. Anonymous8:29 PM

    Enjoying the service of Odyssey - Streaming - Radio is so easy.
    They also apparently believe that their customers who
    like a particular song they hear on the radio, are likely to purchase that song, which could add to downloads from i -
    Tunes. You will need an outside antenna to get clear reception on your radio.


    My web site :: radio x3m lyssna direkt

    ReplyDelete
  18. Anonymous10:10 PM

    Watch online TV programs for free and with o monthly costs.
    The radio has its own stream through a wireless router
    and you can easily listen to all the existing radio stations.
    Given the manner in which the internet and the World Wide Web have invaded our lives over the past many years, it is hardly
    surprising that music or rather the radio would be
    one of the areas being dominated by the internet.

    Feel free to surf to my web-site internetradio aufnehmen

    ReplyDelete
  19. Anonymous9:49 PM

    You don't have to hit the gym for two and three hours each day to lose weight, but it does help to squeeze in 30 minutes of physical activity each day. In fact, I always suggest to those overweight vegetarians to keep to a max of 4 pounds a week so you won't
    suffer loose skin post weight loss. The institution
    has persistently offered ideal programs and services
    for those struggling to achieve certain levels of body weight.



    Feel free to surf to my site - Http://www.janekim.org/member/183

    ReplyDelete
  20. Anonymous10:08 AM

    Bears, coyotes, raccoons, and even wolves can be quite unwelcome
    in your campsite, especially if they are helping themselves to your food or your dog's food. S'mores Stuff (chocolate, graham crackers, marshmallow) & Skewers for roasting the
    marshmallows (toddlers should always be supervised when around flames or sharp instruments).

    Most Coleman camping stoves powered with propane fuel even have electronic ignitions to
    save time and energy.

    Look into my webpage; theengineeredbusiness.com

    ReplyDelete
  21. Anonymous11:56 PM

    Major follows some sports, primarily during the playoffs.

    Caution: when a hole is made in a can, there may be metallic edges that can
    cut one's mouth. In addition, you can save the effort of coding the store functionality, virtual goods dependencies, billing interfaces and rewards.

    Take a look at my page http://www.spielespielen24.de/arcade/epic-space

    ReplyDelete
  22. Anonymous3:15 PM

    They want to win by playing their very best as opposed to winning by putting the other person off.

    It is an adventurous game filled with fun and excitement.

    You can only acquire a small amount of in-game
    money or gold, and cannot participate in the auction house,
    send mail, join guilds, or even whisper to someone unless
    someone whispers to you first.

    Also visit my web site; http://saiwjh.blogspot.de (aluminumfishingboatsny.blogspot.de)

    ReplyDelete
  23. Anonymous7:38 AM

    Cooking one-pot meals is the way to go when it comes to cold weather camping, so be sure
    to pack a cast iron dutch oven before you head out for your camping adventure.

    If you intend to go on an outdoor escapade and are in search of a
    high quality branded tent such as or some outdoor clothing and
    footwear and other outdoor gears that are offered at affordable prices then have a look at Great Outdoors.

    Where else can you get nature at its best, other than Garden city, Bangalore.


    my web blog mouse click the next page

    ReplyDelete
  24. Anonymous7:41 AM

    I understand that those are the products designed by manufacturers to
    make them money and if they are endorsed by winning popular professionals, sales will be high.
    The only downside of it in a lot of people's eyes is the fact that there is no multiplayer content. Harry Potter Hogwarts is one more entry into this new series of LEGO board games.

    My website - simply click the up coming post

    ReplyDelete
  25. Anonymous2:35 PM

    I used to be suggested this blog by my cousin. I'm not positive whether this put up is written by means of him as nobody else know such special about my problem. You are wonderful! Thank you!

    Feel free to surf to my web page: übersetzung polnisch deutsch düsseldorf (http://greatgiftcircle.com/groups/translation-equivalence-from-different-perspective/)

    ReplyDelete
  26. Anonymous7:41 AM

    Camping first aid kits are different from the first aid kits
    you may have at home, as they will be stocked with supplies to treat outdoor
    injuries, such as snakebite, burns, sprains as well as
    animal and insect bites. Once you decide what kind of Oregon coast camping
    vacation you are looking for, finding an Oregon coast camping site is a piece of cake.
    Where else can you get nature at its best, other than Garden city, Bangalore.


    my web blog ... Comments on: Great Ideas To Make Your Camping Experience The Best Possible
    ()

    ReplyDelete
  27. Anonymous9:27 AM

    I do not write a lot of responses, however i did a few
    searching and wound up here "Some Thoughts from Bill Jessop".
    And I actually do have a few questions for you if it's allright. Is it simply me or does it give the impression like a few of these remarks appear like they are coming from brain dead people? :-P And, if you are writing at additional social sites, I'd like to
    keep up with anything new you have to post. Could you
    list of the complete urls of your shared sites like your twitter feed, Facebook page
    or linkedin profile?

    Also visit my blog post; stiftung warentest mp3 player

    ReplyDelete
  28. Anonymous8:50 AM

    When we choose to do the opposite of nothing, then we can
    do something to help others and make a difference.
    Understanding video gaming is a must tip on how to run a game store.
    Making your game play is the next phase you'll be focusing on.

    Visit my site; free registry cleaner ()

    ReplyDelete